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$ F_N ~ = ~ \Large { { G m_1 m_2 } \over { r ^ 2 } } $ 1) $ F_N ~ = ~ \Large { { G m_1 m_2 } \over { r ^ 2 } } $
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$ r_1 m_1 ~ = ~ r_2 m_2 ~ ~ ~ $ and $ ~ ~ ~ r_1 + r_2 ~ = ~ r $ 2a) $ r_1 m_1 ~ = ~ r_2 m_2 ~ ~ ~ $ and 2b) $ ~ ~ ~ r_1 + r_2 ~ = ~ r $
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$ r_1 = \Large { r \over { 1 + m_2 / m_1 } } ~ ~ ~ $ and $ ~ ~ ~ r_2 = \large { r \over { 1 + m_1 / m_2 } } $ 3) $ r_1 = \Large { r \over { 1 + m_2 / m_1 } } ~ ~ ~ $ and $ ~ ~ ~ r_2 = \large { r \over { 1 + m_1 / m_2 } } $
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$ F_? = G \Large { \left( { m_1 \over r_1 } \right) \left( { m_2 \over r_2 } \right) } $ . . . ???? 4) $ F_? = G \Large { \left( { m_1 \over r_1 } \right) \left( { m_2 \over r_2 } \right) } $ . . . ????
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$ F_? = G \Large { \left( { m_1 ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) \over r } \right) \left( { m_2 ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) \over r } \right) } $ . . . ???? 5) $ F_? = G \Large { \left( { m_1 ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) \over r } \right) \left( { m_2 ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) \over r } \right) } $ . . . ????
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$ F_? = { \Large { \left( { { G m_1 m_2 } \over { r ^ 2 } } \right) } } ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) $ . . . ???? 6) $ F_? = { \Large { \left( { { G m_1 m_2 } \over { r ^ 2 } } \right) } } ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) $ . . . ????
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$ b = m_1 / m_2 $ 7) $ b = m_1 / m_2 $
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$ E = ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) $ 8) $ E = ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) $
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$ F_? ~ = ~ F_N \times E $ 9) $ F_? ~ = ~ F_N \times E $
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If $ b = 2 $ or $ b = 0.5 $ then $ E = 4.5 $.    If $ b = 2 $ or $ b = 0.5 $ then $ E = 4.5 $.
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|| 1000.0 || 1002.001 ||  || 1000.0 || 1002.001 ||
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|| 1e33 || 1e33 || Sun to sand grain ratio ||
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$ F_? \approx F_N / b \approx F_N m_2 / m_1 \approx G \left( \Large { {m_2}^2 \over { r^2 } } \right) $ 10) $ F_? \approx F_N / b \approx F_N m_2 / m_1 \approx G \left( \Large { {m_2}^2 \over { r^2 } } \right) $
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$ a_? = F_? / m_1 \approx G \left( \Large { {m_2}^2 \over { m_1 ~ r^2 } } \right) = a_N \times { m_2 / m_1 } $ 11) $ a_? = F_? / m_1 \approx G \left( \Large { {m_2}^2 \over { m_1 ~ r^2 } } \right) = a_N \times { m_2 / m_1 } $
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A circular orbit has a centripedal acceleration $ a = v^2 / r $, so the orbital velocity is proportional to the square root of acceleration. 1000 times the acceleration means 32 times the orbital velocity. A circular orbit has a centripedal acceleration $ a = v^2 / r $, so the orbital velocity is proportional to the square root of acceleration. 1047 times the acceleration means 32.4 times the orbital velocity.
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The unrestricted 3 body problem is very difficult to solve - approximation and computers are needed, but are good enough to deliver space probes to other planets with parts-per-billion accuracy. My colleague's "approximation" is incorrect, yet more difficult to solve.   The unrestricted 3 body problem is very difficult to solve - approximation and computers are needed, but are good enough to deliver space probes to other planets with parts-per-billion accuracy. My colleague's "approximation" is incorrect, yet more difficult to solve.

An Inaccurate Gravitational Approximation

A colleague proposes a simplification to the gravitational equation, using the system center of mass.

Assume two masses m_1 and m_2 separated by distance r. According to standard Newtonian physics, the force between them is:

1) F_N ~ = ~ \Large { { G m_1 m_2 } \over { r ^ 2 } }

If r_1 is the distance from m_1 to the center of mass of the system, and r_2 the distance from the center of mass to m_2 , r_1 and r_2 can be calculated from

2a) r_1 m_1 ~ = ~ r_2 m_2 ~ ~ ~ and 2b) ~ ~ ~ r_1 + r_2 ~ = ~ r

With a little bit of algebra, we can solve for r_1 ~ ~ ~ and ~ ~ ~ r_2 :

3) r_1 = \Large { r \over { 1 + m_2 / m_1 } } ~ ~ ~ and ~ ~ ~ r_2 = \large { r \over { 1 + m_1 / m_2 } }

My colleague (incorrectly) claims that the force can be calculated with:

4) F_? = G \Large { \left( { m_1 \over r_1 } \right) \left( { m_2 \over r_2 } \right) } . . . ????

Substituting the equations for r_1 and r_2 we get:

5) F_? = G \Large { \left( { m_1 ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) \over r } \right) \left( { m_2 ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) \over r } \right) } . . . ????

Simplifying:

6) F_? = { \Large { \left( { { G m_1 m_2 } \over { r ^ 2 } } \right) } } ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 ) . . . ????

... which is never less than 4 times the actual Newtonian gravitational force.

Define b , the ratio of the masses, as

7) b = m_1 / m_2

Define the error factor E :

8) E = ( 1 + m_2 / m_1 ) ( 1 + m_1 / m_2 )

so that

9) F_? ~ = ~ F_N \times E

If b = 1 then E = 4 .

If b = 2 or b = 0.5 then E = 4.5 .

For large b , E \approx 2 + b \approx \approx b , and for small b , E \approx 2 + 1 / b \approx \approx 1/b .

mass ratio b

force ratio E

0.001

1002.001

0.01

102.01

0.1

12.1

0.2

7.2

0.5

4.5

1.0

4.0

2.0

4.5

5.0

7.2

10.0

12.1

100.0

102.01

1000.0

1002.001

1047.4

1049.4

Sun to Jupiter ratio

1e33

1e33

Sun to sand grain ratio

1.2e47

1.2e47

Sun to hydrogen atom ratio

For very small m_1 compared to m_2 , the F_? "force" becomes:

10) F_? \approx F_N / b \approx F_N m_2 / m_1 \approx G \left( \Large { {m_2}^2 \over { r^2 } } \right)

and the acceleration of m_1 is

11) a_? = F_? / m_1 \approx G \left( \Large { {m_2}^2 \over { m_1 ~ r^2 } } \right) = a_N \times { m_2 / m_1 }

A circular orbit has a centripedal acceleration a = v^2 / r , so the orbital velocity is proportional to the square root of acceleration. 1047 times the acceleration means 32.4 times the orbital velocity.

The unrestricted 3 body problem is very difficult to solve - approximation and computers are needed, but are good enough to deliver space probes to other planets with parts-per-billion accuracy. My colleague's "approximation" is incorrect, yet more difficult to solve.

BadGravity (last edited 2016-06-08 23:37:34 by KeithLofstrom)